Madonna, who has come under fire for incorporating swastikas into tour interludes, is standing her ground and defending her usage of the controversial symbol.

During a chat with a Brazilian TV show, she  addressed the criticism of her usage of the swastika in the video interlude and superimposing the symbol on the forehead of French politician Marine Le Pen during ‘Nobody Knows Me.’ Madge explained, (quotes via,that the clip is about “the intolerance that we human beings have for one another. And how much we judge people before knowing them. That’s why it’s done in the song ‘Nobody Knows Me.’”

Madonna also said that as an artist, it’s her goal to promote ideas. “Music should be about ideas. Ideas inspire music, right? So in a show I always like to tell a story,” she declared.

Watch the Madonna ‘Nobody Knows Me’ Sequence